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AFOS product PMDEPD
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Product Timestamp: 2009-11-30 19:33 UTC
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000 FXUS02 KWBC 301934 PMDEPD EXTENDED FORECAST DISCUSSION NWS HYDROMETEOROLOGICAL PREDICTION CENTER CAMP SPRINGS MD 233 PM EST MON NOV 30 2009 VALID 12Z THU DEC 03 2009 - 12Z MON DEC 07 2009 12Z CYCLE UPDATE... THE PRIMARY CHANGES ON THE 12Z MODEL CYCLE ARE THE MODELS HAVE AMPLIFIED THE WESTERN ATLANTIC DEEP LAYER RIDGE ON DAY FOUR AND FIVE...WHICH ALLOWS THE DEVELOPMENT OF A WAVE FURTHER WEST THAN THE 00Z GUIDANCE SUITE. SINCE THE 12Z ECMWF/GFS/CANADIAN GLOBAL/UKMET SHOW A WAVE DEVELOPING...AN UPDATE TO SHOW A LOW DEVELOPING OVER THE WESTERN ATLANTIC ON SAT DEC 5 IS SHOWN...WITH THE PRELIM SOLUTION BLENDED WITH THE 12Z ECMWF TO DERIVE THE FINAL SOLUTION. THE 12Z GFS PARALLEL SHOWS A MAJOR STORM FOR COASTAL NEW ENGLAND...AND THIS WILL BE A TEST OF ITS SKILL...AS IT IS AN OUTLIER SOLUTION. IN THE PACIFIC NORTHWEST AND OFF THE WEST COAST...A WIDE SPREAD OF SOLUTIONS PERSISTS. THE 12Z GFS CONTINUES ON THE FAST SIDE WITH A CLOSED LOW EMERGING FROM THE ROCKIES ACROSS THE NORTHERN PLAINS. THIS IS COMPLETELY CONTRADICTED BY THE GFS PARALLEL...WHICH LIKES THE UKMET/CANADIAN IDEA OF A FURTHER WEST CLOSED 500 MB LOW DEVELOPING OVER THE NORTHWEST US. THE 12Z ECMWF TRENDED FURTHER EAST WITH ITS LOW DEVELOPMENT ON FRI TO EARLY SAT...BUT STALLS THE LOW OFF THE WEST COAST. ON SAT-SUN IT MERGES THIS LOW WITH ANOTHER LOW UNDERCUTTING THE HIGH AMPLITUDE EAST PACIFIC RIDGE AND PRODUCES A WET PERIOD FOR COASTAL CENTRAL-NORTHERN CA SUN NIGHT-EARLY MON. WITH THE MODELS GRADUALLY AGREEING ON THE HIGH AMPLITUDE CLOSED HIGH ALOFT OVER THE NORTHEAST PACIFIC/ALASKA (500 MB HEIGHTS 2-3 STD DEVIATIONS ABV NORMAL IN THE ECMWF/GEFS MEANS)...ODDS ARE INCREASING OF A CLOSED LOW DEVELOPING FURTHER SOUTH OVER THE NORTHWEST/ADJACENT COASTAL WATERS AND A LIKELY REX BLOCK (HIGH NORTH OF A CLOSED LOW) DEVELOPING. FINAL PROGS BLENDED THE PRELIM WITH 30% OF THE 12Z ECMWF TO PROVIDE BETTER DEFINITION/DEEPER INTENSITY TO THE LOW OFF THE PACIFIC NORTHWEST/NORTHERN CA COAST. PRIOR DISCUSSION... MODEL AND ENSEMBLE GUIDANCE ALL SHOW PRONOUNCED AMPLIFICATION OF THE NORTHEAST PACIFIC DEEP LAYER RIDGE. THIS LEADS TO A DOWNSTREAM DEVELOPMENT OF A WESTERN US TROUGH AND THE DEVELOPMENT OF A SFC ANTICYCLONE IN WESTERN CANADA AS A DOME OF COLD AIR BUILDS IN WESTERN CANADA AND STARTS MOVING INTO THE NORTHWESTERN US. THE PRELIMINARY FRONTS AND PRESSURES ARE PRIMARILY A BLEND OF THE NCEP AND ECMWF ENSEMBLE MEANS...WITH MINORITY CONTRIBUTIONS OF THE 00Z ECMWF/CANADIAN/UKMET SOLUTIONS. THE MODELS ARE IN GOOD AGREEMENT ON THE EASTERN US CYCLONE DAYS 3-4 AS IT MOVES NORTH ACROSS NY/NEW ENGLAND AND UP INTO CANADA. THE 06Z GFS HAS SLOWED DOWN TO MATCH THE TIMING OF THE ECMWF/CANADIAN/UKMET/RESPECTIVE ECMWF/NCEP ENSEMBLE MEAN. WITH GOOD CLUSTERING OF SOLUTIONS...A BLEND OF THE MODELS WAS USED. THE DIFFERENCES START TO DEVELOP UPSTREAM OFF THE WEST COAST. PHASING DIFFERENCES AMONG MODEL/ENSEMBLE SOLUTIONS LEADS TO LARGE SPREAD OF POSSIBLE SCENARIOS. WITH INITIAL ENERGY PROGRESSING FROM THE EASTERN PACIFIC INTO NORTHWEST US... THE 00Z GFS WAS ON THE FAST EDGE OF GUIDANCE AND WAS NOT USED AS THE 06Z GFS HAS SLOWED TOWARDS THE TOWARD THE CONSENSUS CLUSTER. IN ADDITION TO TIMING DIFFERENCES...THE ECMWF HAS FORMED A DEEPER CLOSED LOW SFC/ALOFT ON THE WESTERN EDGE OF THE GUIDANCE ENVELOPE THAN THE GFS/CANADIAN/UKMET/EARLIER ECMWF RUNS AND THE ECMWF ENSEMBLE MEAN. 7 OF THE 50 ECMWF ENSEMBLE MEMBERS HAVE A CLOSED 500 MB LOW LIKE THE OPERATIONAL ECMWF...WITH WIDE DISPERSION ACROSS THE NORTHEAST PACIFIC FRIDAY AND THEN ONSHORE SATURDAY. A MULTI-MODEL AND ECMWF/NCEP ENSEMBLE MEAN CONSENSUS WAS USED TO MITIGATE THE DIFFERENCES. MULTI-DAY MEANS SUGGEST THE CORE OF POSITIVE HGT ANOMALIES UPSTREAM SHOULD BE OVER THE GULF OF AK TO THE SOUTHERN AK COASTLINE... WHICH TELECONNECTS TO A MEAN TROF EXTENDING SOUTHWEST FROM HUDSON BAY ACROSS THE NORTHERN HIGH PLAINS/ROCKIES INTO THE GREAT BASIN. THIS IN TURN SUPPORTS COLDER THAN NORMAL TEMPS IN THE NORTHWEST US TO THE NORTHERN PLAINS AND EVENTUALLY UPPER MS VALLEY. CONVERSELY...THIS PATTERN FAVORS THE DEVELOPMENT OF WARMER THAN NORMAL TEMPS ACROSS THE SOUTHEAST/FL ON DAY SEVEN AND BEYOND. THE CANADIAN/UKMET AND SEVERAL NCEP/ECMWF ENSEMBLE MEMBERS SHOW THE DEVELOPMENT OF A NORTHWEST US CLOSED 500 MB LOW SAT...AND THE 06Z GFS BY SUN. THE CANADIAN MODEL BECOMES THE SOUTHERN OUTLIER ON SUN DEC 06 AND MON DEC 07. ON DAYS 4-5...THE CANADIAN IS INCLUDED WITH THE UKMET AND ENSEMBLE MEANS IN SHOWING DEVELOPMENT OF THE NORTHWEST US TROUGH. ON DAY 7...THE CANADIAN WAS DISCONTINUED IN FAVOR OF GREATER WEIGHTING OF THE MEANS. PETERSEN $$